The Life Code Through Tarot Cards

Janis King—tarot reader, teacher, and author—to explore how tarot can be used as a practical tool for insight, healing, and self-trust. From her origin story and energetic approach to the creation of the Life Code Tarot deck and her latest book, these questions are designed to spark a grounded, engaging conversation that serves both curious newcomers and seasoned readers. 

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book Amazon The Life Code: A Fool and Magician and the Secret of Life

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:02

Hi everybody, it's Mimi Tallow from Be Heard, Empower Yourself. And today we have someone from across the pond as they like to say. Hello, Janice. Is it pronounced? Yeah, it is. Hello, Mimi. Lovely to lovely to meet you. Yes, I hope this all goes as planned. Um, but uh there's a tech war going on between Zoom and Zoom Workplace that I hope I can get out of that warp soon because they keep wanting to take over my podcast. But that's for another episode. In this episode, we're joined by Janice King, and Janice is a tarot. Tell me how to pronounce that tarot without tarot. Yeah, tarot. I thought so. Tarot reader, teacher, and author. And you explore how tarot can be used as a practical tool for insight, healing, and self-trust. And uh, from your origin story and energetic approach to the creation of the Life Code Tarot deck, okay, and your latest book. These are questions we are going to talk about. Um, but it sparks a engaging conversation that serves both the curious newcomers and seasoned readers. So I'm a newcomer.

unknown 1:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:32

So um, would you like to tell us anything about yourself before I dive in?

SPEAKER_00 1:38

Um, no, not really. I mean, I've been using Taru for for over 20 years now. Um, and um I find it um endlessly fascinating. I bet. And also um, so we use it as a conversation between us and the energetic world. And we so we use it to look below the surface at what we can't personally see.

SPEAKER_01 2:07

Got it. Well, I absolutely um am very open to things like um the Akashic records and uh spiritual guides and maybe living more than one life. Um starseeds, that yes, there is other life and there is other planets. So I am very open-minded. Okay. Um, my fourth book was called Anatomy of an Alien. Because um, if you know anything about starseeds, and we're not going to get into that because that's an hour there. Uh, some people believe that people walking the earth aren't just people, that they have this starseed component that was sent to us from another loving planet that wanted us to stop killing ourselves, which I think is wonderful. So I am very open-minded, like I said. And um I was told I'm on my sixth wife, and the reason I believe the woman is she told me my first life was in 200 AD, and I was a female gladiator. That's all she had to say because my personality, I would be a female gladiator. Okay. So I I really am into that other world type stuff. Okay. So what was your first encounter with Tara?

SPEAKER_00 3:33

Um, well, I I was I encountered cards as a divination um tool when I was really young growing up. My aunt used to read playing cards and um and she used to read them in a very sort of old school psychic way, mostly at parties, mostly when she'd had a few to drink. And um and so it was all a bit uncontrolled and and crazy. And so I I was sort of very familiar with that. You know, we would hold Ouija board sessions just for fun as well as Ouija board. Yeah, it was all it was just you know, so the so we were we were very familiar with it. My own personal um, I had a I had a read, a terror, a very light terror reading at a sort of, I guess you guys would call it a county fair, um, where I got told some stuff which was very much about fortune telling. What brought me to terror was not that though. What brought me to terror was a reading that I was sent to by my guides um as in answer to um a call that I had been putting out, um, because I had I had conducted this grand energetic experiment which um had played out in a certain way and I wanted explanations and um and I did a specific meditation. I couldn't get to speak to my guides at all. I didn't even know if I even had them. Maybe I was one of those people that didn't.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

I have some I'm right on the fit page.

SPEAKER_00 5:20

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:21

Well, I didn't go for long time.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

Yeah, yeah. And I and I I I but I continued doing the meditations and trying, and and I I got a meditation where I had a young boy show up in this specific meditation who ran out of some woods and sat beside me on a bench. He was probably about eight, maybe between six and eight. Um, I saw his clothes really clearly. I would recognize him if I saw him again, and he his eyes were closed shut, so I presume he was blind, but it wasn't really an issue. And he handed me a white stone egg. I asked him if he was a guide, and he shook his head, handed me this white stone egg, and I looked at it, and there was a white sleeping bird carved into the egg, and I said, Oh, it's a white dove, and he just nodded his head really vigorously and then ran away, leaving me in complete um mystery again, and then about um uh I don't know exactly how long it was, maybe a few weeks later, I was in Camden Market in London, thinking, Well, I still don't have any answers. And and I was going, it was the beginning of a three-year Dark Knight of the Soul, and I saw this shop, and it had tarot readings in huge letters in the window in Camden Market, and I thought, well, you know what? I haven't had any answers anywhere else. I why don't I just try this? So I walked in, and there were two men in the shop. There was one in a room out back that I could just see who had this long white hair, long white robes, like a kind of hippie Jesus guy. And then there was a guy at the front desk, and I walked in and said, Um, I'd like to talk up to someone about a tarot reading, please. And he said, Oh, yes, you'll need to speak to White Dove.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Oh wow, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Yeah, so I said, Well, I I think I'll probably do then. Yes. Um, and it was that reading with White Dove that that basically um not only explained what was going on, but also told me that I was being moved to a new path. Um, which by the way, I flatly refused. I said, I refuse this. You can take it all back. Tell them I changed my mind. None of I'm not having any of this. This is a big, big mistake. Yeah, make it stop. And he said, Yeah, that ship has somewhat sailed. Well, it's gonna happen. Okay, yeah, yeah. So you've got you've got three really, really difficult years ahead of you. Nice, and um, but you will, but they'll be there'll be they'll they'll be he called them angels along the path, he said, both human and energetic, and they'll get you through. Yes, they'll get you through to the other side, and you'll find your way to this new path. And I said, Well, I don't want a new path, I refuse. I refuse this new path.

SPEAKER_01 8:25

I get it, but how did that change your life? Did you um after that reading, like did some of that stuff start happening?

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Oh, I mean, everything went mental. I mean, everything was mental anyway, to be honest with you, everything was crazy anyway, but yeah, it it it it it took on yeah, it took on a whole new life of its own. Yeah, and and you know, I I mean I it's a it that three year process is a book all on its own because there were there were some quite I mean m I would say bordering on miraculous occurrences which um which are so uh exquisitely on the money and perfect that you can't just badge them up to coincidence. It was it was too much to be coincidence. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, okay, so go ahead. So yeah, I mean, and I and obviously after that happened, um he told me I should go get Reiki attuned because that would help. So I did go get Reiki attuned, and um, and that did help. And um, and in fact, my Reiki master I'm also still in contact with now, all these years later. And you know, the whole thing was a journey that that was like no other. But obviously, I was really fascinated by what had happened with the reading and the reading itself, and the fact that this information had come back through these cards. So, of course, that being the point of the entire thing, yeah. Um, I I then went off and and had a look at you know, tarot. I went into a shop in London and said, you know, what do I need to know? And the woman in the shop, um, it was actually Treadwell's, said to me at the time, because Treadwell's didn't, Treadwell's is a very old esoteric shop in London, old, almost like a little Hogwartsy bookshop. Yeah. And she said, Well, I don't read tarot, they don't speak to me, they don't speak to everyone, and they don't speak to me. Oh, okay. Um, you would have to see if they speak to you. I see.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

And boy, did they. Wow, that's that really uh is fascinating to me because um, you know, I was Catholic most of my life, so none of the this is all taboo, all of these uh new age thinkings and spiritual things that um a lot of us are exploring today. And so I really wasn't um touched or drawn to any of it until maybe maybe 20 years ago, and I was over 50. And there is so much, Janice. There's so much, and when I hear people talk about any of those things like you were saying, like Reiki and Spirit Guides and Akashic Records and Tarot, and like there are so many disciplines, I'll call them disciplines and philosophies. It's like I feel like I'm in kindergarten, and I don't know. I'm I'm thinking to myself, well, if I was going to just get a college degree metaphorically, which one would I pick? Like, you know, how would I go? But um that is why I'm wondering like you settled with tarot, so you weren't drawn, you knew about other things, but you weren't drawn to those other things I mentioned.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

No, because I wanted something that made proper logical sense, and I know that sounds really odd. People go, how can tarot make proper logical sense? But it does. Once you start using it, it does make sense. It is a is a fixed system, it is a system that is is very exact and it and it requires you to use it properly, and you know, even even when I I I I was very skeptical about everything. Okay, yeah. I've been using energy and doing a bit of ceremony and seeing um so let me just tell you the backstory of how I got into that. That's fine, yeah. Because I've been I've been told from an early age I should go into development, and I refused to do that too. I I don't want to say rebellious, yeah, yeah. I kind of, yeah, as a bit of a sort of refuse a lot. A little bit of a spicy customer as far as the recruitment team up there was concerned. Yeah. I was a difficult hire for sure. So um my mum, when her mother died, when my grandmother died, my mum went to a spiritualist church and asked me if I'd go, and I said that wasn't like antsy or anything. I'd a sure I'll go. I was about 20, I suppose, at the time. Um they were doing a psychometry experiment in there, you know, where you take an object of somebody's and then you just say what what you see. Oh my god. And my mother volunteered me. My mother volunteered said, Oh, she's good at this stuff. And I was going, What, what, no? I'm just here to keep leave me alone. No, she'll take so I took this woman's ring, and and then they just said, Well, just doesn't matter, just say what you see. So I said what I saw. I had no idea whether it was right or wrong or not. And then everybody got awfully excited and kind of started rushing around saying, Oh, you should go into development, and uh, and I again I just went, dead people, ew.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

No, you know, I'm gonna just say, I think no matter which one you're drawn towards to, I think you're drawn towards what your gift is and what you're supposed to do. And when you said, like spiritual church, I belong to Unity of the Palm Beaches, which we call ourselves a spiritual community. And every year we do a white stone ceremony, which sounds very similar to what you said, and we hold that stone in meditation, and whatever word comes into our mind, no matter how silly or doesn't seem to mean anything, that you write on your stone for the year. And I've been doing that for 20 years, and um, funny story: the one year I wrote down patience, and I had the worst year of my life because the spirits that be kept sending me situations where I needed patience. Think about it. How are you gonna get patience unless you get the situations? So, and again, one last thing. One year a woman's name came up, and I didn't know anybody by that name. Okay, uh I don't even remember now. I have the stone somewhere, but let's say her name is Janet. And I don't know anybody named Janet, but I wrote it on the rock like I was supposed to. And later that year I had surgery, and it was a very uh major surgery. And when I was going in, one of the nurses said, Don't worry, worry, my name is Janet, and I am gonna be with you all through this. I get the chills repeating that story. Yeah, that's so that kind that kind of stuff in my church. So the one uh time they were talking about the starseeds, which is I'm not getting into it, but they said, We think you are a starseed. So I researched it, and I wrote a book, uh Anatomy of an Alien, because I have the most unusual medical history you'll ever see in your life. I have never been to a doctor where he has not said, You have this, but I've never seen one like that. Or it's a little different. That's unusual. That doesn't happen. So when I would leave the doctor's office, I would turn to my husband and say, I'm an alien. So thus the title, Anatomy of an Alien. And it's a medical paranormal mystery, because at the end of the book, and it talks about all the medical stuff, but at the end of the book, you find out if I'm just an ordinary human or am I a starseed. And so there's so many disciplines, like I said, but you you have to find the one that pulls you, that's yours. And I do in researching, and I'll shut up about starseeds, but in researching starseeds, and there's different types of personalities, and they get different kinds of medical problems on earth. And um, I was an alcoholic for 20 years and find out that the one I'm supposed to be can't drink, and uh they uh they are supposed to be helpful and try and help humanity one person at a time, or something like my podcast. Okay, so there is a very strong pull in me to believe that that's my gift, and I'm sure you feel the same way about the tarot.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Well, I think the tarot just um adds a dimension to my life which allows me to make sense of um of not only what's happening, but you know, but the way forward, and because tarot isn't just a divination thing, tarot is a tarot is a map, tarot is a philosophy, and its philosophy is um it's kind of like a Bible. So it's a lot of us refer to it as a book, so it's a book of wisdom, it's a book of knowledge, and it's a book, it's an instruction manual. So that instruction manual is there to guide us through not only challenges, but also to tell us how to make our life happy, sustainable, and and and abundant. So it's an instruction manual for life, and it talks about um it talks about energy, it talks about how we use energy, yeah, and it talks about how we need how we can plot our life to create happiness and connection, which is the foundation of everything. Yes, and then how we master our will, how we use our mind through periods of challenge, and then then the five key experiences we need in order to create this successful long-term life strategy that is gonna make us and the people around us happy.

SPEAKER_01 19:13

I have a question. I have a question.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

Yeah, and the point of it is not to be spiritual, okay. The point of it is to be a successful human. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

Same thing with the smart seats, but I do need to ask you this question.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Yeah, yeah. So it's how yeah, it's on the ground, as it were.

SPEAKER_01 19:34

Yeah. So let me ask you. So you're doing a reading, all right? Um, and how do you know if it's uh a structured interpretation of what you're looking at or your own intuition?

SPEAKER_00 19:51

Oh, well, you that's it. I mean, I read very much from the perspective of the cards lay the foundation.

SPEAKER_01 19:59

Okay, so that's the sample.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah, so I let the cards lead the way. So I'll I'll give you an example. So I did a reading for a girl. Um, she booked a reading, she wanted to know when she was gonna meet her soulmate and when her business was going to be successful. So, first of all, she's asked two closed questions. So we don't ask closed questions in tarot, we open them up. So, what does she need to know about meeting her life partner? We're not going to use the word soulmate. Soulmates aren't necessarily romantic and they don't necessarily make you happy.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

And I had a soulmate that did make me miserable.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

And I still believe he was my soulmate, but yeah, they they are there to to help us in life to overcome or to experience whatever it is we want to, and also with her business, what she needed to know to make her business successful. So we did the first part of the reading, and the second part of the reading was about the business, and so so, real quick, we had a look at this, and the first thing I took was put these cards on the table. We've got the four of pentacles, we've got the king of queen of swords, and we've got the knight of swords. So, what that tells me is she's playing it very safe, she's very risk-adverse, she is being very strategic, but there's no passion in the energy. So I asked, What is her why? Because she's doing this business because she feels she has to. I know she has a career that she doesn't like, so she's trying to build this business up. So I asked, What is the goal here? And I've got the Seven of Cups, which is floaty, not rooted in reality. So at this point, I take all this back to the client and I ask the client, okay, this is what I've got about this business. You've got no passion for this business, you're doing it because you think you need to. You're not really groundedly connected to your destination, it's all Floating up there as whatever. Um, and basically, what we've not got is we've not got enough fuel for you to really stay the course with this business. You we just don't have it. You're pushing yourself to do it. There's no real, you know, I love this. I've I I there's no love here at all. There's no love, there's no passion, there's no vision really. So she said, Well, okay, that's fair. And she said, So the situation is I hate my job, my mother is living with us, so I've got uh I've got uh three kids and I need a bigger house. And so I I've done this business because I think this will get me to a bigger house. But I I honestly say it wasn't my dream. This business is not my dream thing to do. Maybe it will get me the house, so but it won't, it won't get you the house because basically you've won't be successful, you won't make it through. You just you don't like it really any more than you like your job, right? So then I asked, okay, so let's take some guidance for her. What should we do? What what action should she take? So we've got the lovers. So the lovers is choose what you love, and I said, Okay, well, that's really interesting. So I said to her, So, oh, and also the Six of Cups, which is do what you did before. So, okay, choose what you love and do what you did before. So I said, Well, what did you do before your current job that you don't like? She said, Well I retrained to do this job, I was a teacher. I said, Oh, that's interesting. So, um, yeah, I think I'm getting the order of it right. Anyway, I she said, I don't wanna, I don't want to teach because I I taught English as a foreign language, there wasn't enough money in it. Um, I don't want to go back and do that. She said, but I did love, because I said, What did you what have you done that you've loved? And she said, I loved writing my book. I wrote a book on women who have contributed stuff but have been forgotten. I loved that, I absolutely loved it. I said, Okay, there's something here. She said, but I didn't carry on because I needed the money, I couldn't do the marketing, it was just, but I I still loved it, it lit me up. So I said, right, we need to be guided by that. So then I took down a couple of more cards, and as I was taking the cards, I heard the word higher. Okay, higher. So I'm looking at this and thinking, well, she taught, she did the women's, so how can we make this higher? Do what you did before. What she also did before was retrain. She retrained. So interestingly enough, I thought, okay, let's just link all those together and say, what if you taught but retrained at a higher level and did women's studies? What if you were to teach at university? And she went, oh, that's amazing because my ex-husband is a university lecturer, and I've just finished a postgrad qualification for this job that I have now. So I said, So you are really qualified then, and actually it wouldn't be too much of a hop and a skit for you to actually become qualified to teach at uni. How does teaching how does teaching women's studies at uni and writing books alongside that for which you can then publish? How does that sound? And she said, that sounds amazing. So you see, what you do is you allow the cards to lead the way, and then you let then you you're open to what additional information needs to come in on top, which lets you take the reading to the next level. That's how I do it.

SPEAKER_01 25:55

I see, I see. Very interesting. Um a lot of uh what I did want to ask you too is so she said about um a book. You wrote a book on tarot?

SPEAKER_00 26:10

Yeah, yeah. I've I've actually written three books, um, but but my latest book, which is called Tarot the Life Code, A Fall a Magician and the Secret of Life, and that came out in November.

SPEAKER_01 26:22

So um sounds like a Harry Potter book.

SPEAKER_00 26:26

Well, you know, kind of. I mean, we have in in tarot, we have the magician. So the idea is we are the magician in our lives, and we are working with energy, and it is our job to bring to life the potentials that we want to bring to life to make our life happy, abundant, and fulfilled.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

Right. And and getting back to reading the tarot cards themselves, um, so each symbol supposedly has a meaning to it. And what inspired the imagery and the symbolism on the cards?

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Um, well, the the what the originally originally in tarot the the history of tarot. Yes. So so nobody really tarot has a little bit of a shrouded history. It actually was sort of born in 14th century Italy as the as a game tarotci. And the tarotci deck is still, they still play taroci. I've been in Italy and watched people play tarotci in in bars, and it's amazing. Cards are there, um, and I've been to the tarot museum and they're all their 14th-century cards. So we have that, that's the foundation of tarot, and then alongside that we have the gypsies, and the gypsies were really fundamental in how the cards came to be used in terms of divination and sort of a more mystical sense. They the gypsies actually were thought they were called gypsies because originally people thought they came from Egypt because gypsy is just a shortened version of Egyptian gypsy. Um, obviously, we don't the term has become a bit misaligned now. We don't use it particularly, but that was the original thing. But they weren't Egyptian, they were Indians. So basically they were traveling, they were traveling uh sort of nomadic lower caste group from India who were much maligned and traveled out of India, they traveled through Egypt. This was over hundreds of years, right? And they carried with them a set of prayer cards that were the the I think the the sole expressions of Shiva. And the idea is that when you use these prayer cards, you connect with the divination, you connect with with Shiva, you connect with all of the aspects of God, and this helps you connect in and to take that divination in yourself. So you are then you have the divination, the divine within you. So they these prayer cards connected you with that energy. What we think happened was as the the gypsy, you know, the sort of the Roma, as we now call them, as they came through Europe, they came through Eastern Europe, and they came into Italy with these cards, and they got mashed together with their tarotci. And so it was the gypsies using taroci alongside their prayer cards and sort of bringing the whole thing together that started the use of tarot in what what we term fortune telling and divination. And then in France, there was a guy called Attilia. He was the guy who first seriously studied how this works. What is this using these cards and what is actually going on? And he referred to tarot as the as uh a conversation with the godhead, and so the tarot Marseille, which is the forerunner of modern-day tarot, um, that came from France. So it's come from Italy through France and then into Britain at the turn of the century, about a hundred years ago, um, the Golden Dawn um basically reworked the whole deck and form formularized it into the version we see now because originally the suits didn't have pictures on them, like playing cards don't have pictures on them, they're just four suits. So it's had a journey across hundreds of years and has been reshaped and reformed along the way.

SPEAKER_01 30:55

Let's see, I see amazing. Um, and and you could really uh talk about a lot. How how do you ensure that your deck connects with the reader on a personal level? I know you did talk about that one woman, but uh how about yourself? Did you consider the most important skills? Uh did you have the skills for reading tarot, or did they uh come along? Did you learn that?

SPEAKER_00 31:26

Um first of all, the deck doesn't connect to anyone. The deck, the deck itself is is is just a deck of cards. The deck has the a tarot deck, it has no intrinsically special powers, it is cardboard. Let's just get that clear. Oh the power, the power is within us. Yes, the cards are a communication, are a language between us and the energetic world, and it is it is us connecting to the energetic world using the cards as a communication system. The cards themselves have no power.

SPEAKER_01 31:58

Ah, yes, you did say that. I just needed, I guess, to hear it again for it to sink in because um when I was in high school, just trying to find a way to make myself more uh powerful, um, I pretended I could read pops, you know. And uh the first girl, I knew a lot about her, and I probably knew stuff about her she didn't know I knew. So it was a very successful reading because it was really just stuff I knew, and it did, it drew a lot of people to me. But then um one day I said, Oh, I don't do it anymore, because it was I was a shyster, I was making it up. I was a charlatan, you know, and I just said, Oh, I don't do it anymore. I run out of the uh interest, you know. So gypsies are have a terrible reputation because they were, they were thieves and you know, not the best character, am I right?

SPEAKER_00 33:02

Well, I mean, we have to be very careful with generalization because to be honest with you, any traveling people, the gypsies were absolutely persecuted right across Europe to the point of almost genocide. And so whenever they would come into a new area, people would treat them appallingly. And so what happens when you treat a group of people appallingly, and they behave appallingly in response. Of course, yes, so therefore, so therefore, we must be really careful that you know we don't that we don't generalize an entire group of people as as being a certain way. Um I think you know, gypsies the the gypsy uh history is one of enormous persecution and and cruelty in many ways. And so I think a lot of the time, you know, people do things to survive and develop a way of being, yeah, which is perhaps, you know, not ideal and doesn't make them popular, but they're not popular anyway. So I guess their thinking is well, what the hell, you know, hand for a sheet for a round.

SPEAKER_01 34:20

Yeah. Um, what do you consider like the most important skill for someone that is learning Carol? Curiosity. Oh, I see. That's a good that's a good answer. Yeah, and you need that out that and an open mind, which kind of goes hand in hand with curiosity because that's the type of person I am. So now you teach uh beginners, and you also uh teach or help experienced readers advance. So how do you adapt those teachings for that two sets?

SPEAKER_00 35:00

Um well when I teach beginners, I I have a slightly different um, I have some differences in the way I present the deck to perhaps um traditional teaching. So in my deck, the the major arcana tarot is split into into sort of three sections. We have the major arcana, which are the big rock star cards, you know, the the lovers, death, the big ones that all you'll see in James Bond movies. Yes, you have that section, that's zero to twenty two, and then we have the minor arcana, which is the four suits, ace to ten, and on the end of those, like in a deck of playing cards, you have the royal. So you have a page, a knight, a queen, and a king in each suit. In my deck, the major arcana is also separated out into the suits, so they are advising specifically on the energy of the suits, and we see them in suit realms, and that isn't um that isn't taught in traditional tarot. Um but what it does is it brings a whole new dimension to the way we see the role of the major arcana and and what its function is.

SPEAKER_01 36:19

What does that mean? I don't know what major arcana is.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

So the major arcana is normally seen as a spiritual journey, okay. So the okay so the eighth, so the zero the fall is zero. We can see the fall up here. I was keeping off my board. So the fool is zero because he is all potential, so he is he is um everything and nothing all at the same time. And then the idea is the fool's journey, which is the the name of the traditional story through the 22 cards, means the fool goes on this journey of learning and then gets to the world card, which is the last card, which is card 21, and that is his ascension, and then so then he's he becomes enlightened. I didn't like it, I've never liked it. I don't think it's right. Okay. People out there who are now screaming. I'm being a bit of a heretic here, but I don't like it. It doesn't be rebel.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

It just can't be rebel.

SPEAKER_00 37:23

It well, it doesn't work as far as the spiritual journey is concerned, it just doesn't work for me. I don't, I don't want to live a hard yards, repetitive spiritual journey where we just do the same thing over and over and over and over again until okay, so what we don't, yeah. It doesn't, it doesn't help us at all. Well, we meet things to help us. Yeah, there's there's no inviting message in there for us. So instead of that, I teach it as an instruction manual for life, and when you look at it through that lens, it's perfect, absolutely perfect.

SPEAKER_01 37:58

I like that you did that. And in our spiritual community, um, a lot of our people, our congregation, whatever, you know, well, we all do meditation. Meditation is just that you have to have meditation. Um, and it doesn't matter how you do it, everybody does different. I am totally, I will admit, it is extremely hard for me to do just a quiet of my meditation. I do guided meditation, but it works for me. And I may do short little five-minute silent meditations, but I'm too hyper of a person. And we also are very into chakras. What do you think of chakras?

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Well, I mean, it's not what I think of them, is it? I mean, chakras are the energy system that runs through our body. Do you believe it? Oh, yeah, no, of course. Everybody does it, you know.

SPEAKER_01 38:55

Believe it or not, everybody doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

No, I mean, tar taro is is built on the premise of elemental energy, and so taro is all about energy and how we use energy. Now, tarot doesn't refer directly to the chakra system, right? But for sure, uh, one of my cards, which I'll show you, actually does um hold on, if I can find the magician card, I will show you, it does actually show um us being in alignment. Oh, strength, it's not the magician, it's the strength card. Hold on one second. The idea is that if we're going to become strong, if we're going to endure any discomfort, and and you know, sometimes we do have to be, you know, we do have to be tough in life. Um, we do it be in alignment with our purpose. We do it to be in alignment with our goals. There we go.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

That's it. Oh, there's that's is it's your book title or a card?

SPEAKER_00 39:59

That's not your book. No, no, this is a card. This is a book cover. Um, the book cover is um, you know, I don't have one in front of me, but but it it's very similar to that. So it has this energy spiral on it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

And um so this this book, The Life Code, A Foot and Magician, and the Secret of Life. Did I get this title? Um, what is the inspiration behind that book?

SPEAKER_00 40:26

Um, well, the deck is the inspiration behind the book. Um, this way I teach, this new way of looking at the major arcana, and the fact that it's talking about us mastering life and why that's so important. Um, and how this this whole system was this the deck and the system was actually channeled after I went to a um after I went to a um a week's residential course at the Arthur Finley College in Stansted, which is a bit like Hogwarts for Mediums. Um so I went there for a week and I I had a I had a an energetic being. Um basically that I was on a chance mediumship course. So the idea of chance mediumship is that you're gonna allow um a a spirit of maybe a departed loved one to speak through you um and that did not uh uh I have done it, but it but for me that wasn't why I was there. Yeah and I didn't and it I I said to the tutor, this is not really working for me. I'm not really feeling that this is this is I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

I get I get that, I get that. Um so your readers, um how can they deepen their connection to their own intuition?

SPEAKER_00 41:59

Um by understanding the difference between intuition and fear and um and becoming very familiar with how the intuitive voice sounds.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 42:11

Because the intuitive voice has a very specific sound to it, yeah which is which is markedly different to fear, and it can be very difficult to tell the difference unless you really know. And so when you when you become familiar with intuition, the other thing, of course, is important is meditation because in order for intuition to make itself heard, it does need a bit of quiet, yes, it does, it does need some space. So if there is a huge amount of noise going on in your head, it it is difficult for it to make itself heard, and it is a one-hit deal. You don't get it, it doesn't repeat itself, no, it just happens.

SPEAKER_01 42:57

The situation comes up and just feeling or yeah, if you choose not to engage, then that's fine. Oh, yeah, Jenny, we could talk about a lot of things for a long time, and I'll have to have you come back to talk about some of those things if you would like. Um so to wrap this up, what's a surprising insight that you've gained from your years of reading tarot?

SPEAKER_00 43:25

A surprising insight. Well, I mean, there are there are many of them. Um, I guess in my in my own life, yes. Um I'm trying to I'm trying to think of trying to think of one that would be just your intuition. That would be yeah, that would be a a standout. Um I suppose it is all about how we need to be part of the process. So um what happens in tarot all the time, especially in my readings is what will come back to the client is what do you want yeah what do you want and and then what tarot will do is it will it will it will look at that and it will give some sort of opinion tarot is opinionated for sure it has a it and it and it has some humor as well although that might just be working through me I don't know but I find it to be quite dry as a as a voice and so what it I you know again I had a a lady come to me for a reading the other day and said I did you know I the the universe has let me down and what I said to it was I'm not gonna input anything just bring me the person bring me the love bring me the person that and she said and it it sended up really badly yeah and what came back in the reading was you must you must have your will in the picture you cannot just relinquish all responsibility for your life to the universe you are a co-creator here you're co-creator you have the job to do here and your responsibility is to use your will correctly in alignment with you know the the whatever it is we're we're we're doing exactly so Janice was very interesting for me and I hope my listeners I know they did find it interesting because it gave us uh basic concepts and in their in understandings of tarot and made it more than just a polar game or you know something gypsies did for money so do you have a website I do you can find me on Janice which is spelt like Joplin Janisking dot uk dot uk oh that's uh the same as your email almost yeah yeah janusking dot uk I pay attention so um we will have you back again i thought it was very interesting and so and the book of course if anybody wants a book the life code a foot end magician and the secret of wife that's a mouthful you can find it on amazon on amazon and you can also and you can also buy it through my website as well if you would if you want to if you're in the states it might be easier to buy it through Amazon but it's whatever whatever is the easiest way of doing it.

SPEAKER_01 46:27

Well this is great and I might try to practice some of these things that we talked about um because they're very intriguing but again thank you for coming and I hope you enjoyed our conversation as much as I did. Yeah absolutely Mimi it was lovely to meet you it's lovely to meet you and if I'm ever in where are you in the UK?

SPEAKER_00 46:48

Well uh we spend a lot of time near the Brighton area or around London. I have an office in London in Putney so but we also travel around in uh we're we're pretty nomadic as well.

SPEAKER_01 47:01

You're like a gypsy we'll end it there. Okay everybody I hope you enjoy this I know I did and I thank Janice for coming and please uh check out her website thanks again and I'll see you later bye Janice thank you Mimi bye bye